Kenya IGF Online Discussions Day 1: Content Regulation on the Internet

I think something whose acceptance changes based on location shouldn’t be
the basis for governing content “theoretically” intended for a global
audience, after all the Internet is not a village shopping center.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:51 PM, anyega jefferson <jeffersonanyega@gmail.com
> wrote:

> @Barrack, I agree with you on the need for evidence-based approaches to
> policy discussions. However, a behavioral approach would be more effective
> in promoting compliance. While Obama was selling entrepreneurship as a
> solution to our problems, he invested heavily in behavioral-based policy
> solutions to social problems in the United States, time.com/
> 4042689/social-behavioral-sciences-team/ Anyway, that is an aside.
>
> Its not that its cool to speak against morality, its just that one
> person’s anti-gay rights for instance, is another person’s oppressor on
> identity etc…..
>
> My would my grandmother be embarrassed if she reads, sees or hears this
> test is more universal.
>
>
> I don’t think those devices have unlimited access to content outside the
> approved ones, but i could be wrong.
>
> On the matatu industry example, well, true, any industry doesn’t have an
> incentive to rush self-regulation, but who says the regulators have the
> omniscient knowledge and benevolence to enact the right, well-intentioned
> and durable regulations?
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:41 PM, David Indeje via kictanet <
> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> As regards to the question of morality, the only way out is to be
>> pluralistic, reflecting the diversity of the culture in which (we and
>> the others) operate and give access to various points of view and right to
>> reply. Thus, in the process of socialization, they teach us social
>> norms and values, and help us learn what’s expected of us including how we
>> are supposed to think, act and look thus, they participate in our
>> socialization.
>>
>> *Kind Regards,*
>>
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>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 at 14:27, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <
>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>> @ Jefferson,
>>>
>>> Good points. It is actually cool nowadays to speak against morality
>>> because of its relativity. My humble request to you would be for you to
>>> look at the issue in light of the Matatu Industry in Nairobi that was asked
>>> to self regulate. Is this the best approach, going forwad it would be good
>>> for this conversation to be guided by some evidence based research. I am
>>> not sure its right to say Children are a minority and should be treated as
>>> such when the government is distributing millions of digital devices to our
>>> primary schools. The Universal Access Fund is also being used to connect
>>> schools to the Internet which will also expose more children to the
>>> Internet.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:07 PM, anyega jefferson via kictanet <
>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ​On morality, we should recognize that children are a relatively small
>>>> consumer segment of Internet content as ​compared to adults. It is helpful
>>>> to consider whether the target audience is a community of shared values or
>>>> a market. In my personal view, we are increasingly just a market with
>>>> different sub-segments, a minority of whom require protection as opposed to
>>>> a community of shared values. Furthermore, it is important to ensure
>>>> content regulation does not institutionalize political correctness. The
>>>> clamor for safe spaces is injurious in its attempts to muzzle any content
>>>> which violates individual taste or beliefs. As a result, maybe a common
>>>> sense approach in self-regulation is better. For example, would i be
>>>> embarrassed if this content reaches my grandmother?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:58 PM, anyega jefferson <
>>>> jeffersonanyega@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We should also consider the role of the media type on the content
>>>>> regulation adopted. For instance, should visual, audio and written content
>>>>> be subjected to the same standard or different ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Grace Bomu via kictanet <
>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Two concepts that have dominated recent debates at least on this list
>>>>>> are paternalism (decision makers taking away the power of the public to
>>>>>> make choices) and agreed norms in the society. For example, a public
>>>>>> authority basing decisions on the notion that “western” values are bad for
>>>>>> Kenyan society and therefore removing/restricting some content from the
>>>>>> public domain.
>>>>>> Defining what our collective values, which would guide how far
>>>>>> authorities can regulate content is often a pull between generations,
>>>>>> classes, rural versus urban folk and religious inclinations.
>>>>>> It would help if spaces where most content is viewed promoted content
>>>>>> that is generally closer to agreed values in our society. For example, at
>>>>>> one point the issue was absence of local content. Through many initiatives
>>>>>> and policies such as local websites for government offices and use of
>>>>>> technology for public relations, we are now seeing more local content.
>>>>>> It is therefore baffling that instead of nurturing this trend,
>>>>>> authorities would attempt to curtail it by introducing taxes and other
>>>>>> regulatory controls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il martedì 10 luglio 2018, Wilson Muroki via kictanet <
>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe the issue of morality is a difficult one to agree upon.
>>>>>>> What could be immoral to one person could be perfectly okay with another.
>>>>>>> So where do we draw the line and whose moral compass will we base the
>>>>>>> regulations on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wilson Muroki Njino
>>>>>>> Tel: +254 721 991098
>>>>>>> Office +254 730 911125
>>>>>>> Email: wnmuroki@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:02 PM kanini mutemi via kictanet <
>>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Cecilia I echo your questions. The issue of morality was
>>>>>>>> introduced above as a reason why content regulation is important. I
>>>>>>>> note that we have never quite agreed on the issue of morality on this list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do you then balance the freedom of opinion and expression with
>>>>>>>> the need to control what people produce and consume?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there perhaps a test we can apply when determining whether
>>>>>>>> content regulation is a desired approach?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2018, at 12:49, cmaundu— via kictanet <
>>>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello listers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have two questions
>>>>>>>> 1. Where do you draw the line between content regulation and
>>>>>>>> freedom of expression?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Where do you draw the line between content regulation and net
>>>>>>>> neutrality?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2018, at 12:29 PM, carolyne mimano via kictanet <
>>>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats where ISP’s are liable in my opinion and more community
>>>>>>>> policing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 12:27 pm Ronald Ojino via kictanet, <
>>>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Kanini et al.
>>>>>>>>> In my opinion,content regulation is healthy for any society. It
>>>>>>>>> aids in reducing moral decadence that could be brought about with the
>>>>>>>>> unregulated space. However, is content filtering sufficient in ensuring
>>>>>>>>> that only the correct content is viewed especially with freely availed
>>>>>>>>> WiFi at many locations even though parents try to utilize Parental Control
>>>>>>>>> Software at home, Imagine situations where some access pornography at
>>>>>>>>> places of worship!!
>>>>>>>>> Is filtering access at public spaces also the way to go?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 12:18 PM, kanini mutemi via kictanet <
>>>>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can also give examples of recent content regulation efforts by
>>>>>>>>>> our government.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2018, at 12:16, Peter Wakaba via kictanet <
>>>>>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Content regulation is the creation, setting and enforcement of
>>>>>>>>>> parameters within which various stakeholders in the content ecosystem
>>>>>>>>>> engage with this content. Content in this context is then simply
>>>>>>>>>> information which is transmitted and stored and received through various
>>>>>>>>>> platforms and infrastructure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:09 AM, carolyne mimano via kictanet <
>>>>>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello listers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As we dive more into content regulation we should maybe also
>>>>>>>>>>> focus on:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why content is regulated?
>>>>>>>>>>> – Copyright reasons,obscene content, bullying and hate
>>>>>>>>>>> speech(causing harm to others) security, human dignity, privacy.
>>>>>>>>>>> -The different kinds of content-online content, traditional
>>>>>>>>>>> media etc
>>>>>>>>>>> For online content how different countries/governments are
>>>>>>>>>>> trying to regulate online content e.g self filtering, internet service
>>>>>>>>>>> providers or anyone that has access to blocking offensive material but
>>>>>>>>>>> fails to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Carolyne
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018, 9:53 am cmaundu— via kictanet, <
>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Content regulation, is basically content restrictions or
>>>>>>>>>>>> monitoring as required by governments or regulatory bodies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Jul 2018, at 9:26 AM, kanini mutemi via kictanet <
>>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Listers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll start us off with the discussion on Content Regulation on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. I find it useful for us to first understand what content
>>>>>>>>>>>> regulation means. To this end, I invite your contributions to the following
>>>>>>>>>>>> questions–
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (a) What does ‘*content regulation**’* mean?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (b) How is content regulation achieved?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (c) What categories of content face the most regulation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let’s go!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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