Banning of the FILM Rafiki

Hi Lucy,

Its good you bring the issue of the National Value System which was also a
silent pillar in the Vision 2030 document. In as much as we want to ignore
this pillar , it is key for any nation that is development conscious. We
must recognize that in as much as we have a right to debate leaders have a
responsibility to make decisions that shape the Society based on what the
society subscribes to as values.

Best Regards

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 5:18 AM, Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> It is not about religion. These things like LGBT re just against the norms
> in our African culture with or without Christianity.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lucy Gichaga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2018 11:57 PM
> *To:* ldinga@managecom.co.ke
> *Cc:* Lucy Gichaga <lw.gichaga@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>
> We didn’t have lesbianism before Chrstianity came.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Is Christianity, brought to Kenya by colonizers, “Kenyan culture”? How
>> so?
>>
>> If so, doesn’t saying that it is mean that culture evolves, since Kenyan
>> culture predates the introduction of Christianity by millennia?
>>
>> If culture evolves, then what does it mean to say something is not part
>> of one’s culture?
>>
>> Finally-I’m not Kenyan. I’m Igbo, from south eastern Nigeria. Igbos had,
>> prior to colonization, thousands of years of culture, worshipping many
>> gods. One commonly accepted practice was women husbands-same sex marriage,
>> in which women could take other women as wives, and those wives would bear
>> children for their women husbands.
>>
>> The British were repulsed by this, and after they brought their religion
>> (plus the slave trade, the disenfranchisement of women, the attempt to
>> destroy the system of republican democracy that had operated in Igboland
>> for centuries) they banned such relationships. after this, we can now have
>> people who say same sex marriage is against Igbo culture.
>>
>> The theft of cultural knowledge is truly a crime without end.
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Twahir Hussein Kassim via kictanet <
>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> Reading from the preamble to the constitution, I would like to give my
>> *thoughts* below within the text of the constitution copied from a
>> previous email
>>
>> CONSTITUTION OF KENYA
>>
>> PREAMBLE
>> ACKNOWLEDGING the supremacy of the Almighty God of all creation:
>>
>> *My belief is that this is a declaration within the constitution that the
>> supremacy of The Almighty is ABOVE ALL. I doubt if there is any religion
>> that accepts LGBT relationships to be fine. Going back to the scripts we
>> will NOTE a whole nation being destroyed due to this very act. Whether
>> Kenya has a state religion or not GAY relations shouldn’t be ok. *
>>
>> HONOURING those who heroically struggled to bring freedom and justice to
>> our land:
>>
>> PROUD of our ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, and determined to
>> live in peace and unity as one indivisible sovereign nation:
>>
>> *Proud of ethnic diversity, none of our diverse culture agree with this
>> act. Am not refuting that it has been practised for donkey years; however
>> NEVER has it been FORCED DOWN our throats to accept it as a norm. We did
>> interact with gays before but they were not openly blatantly plying their
>> trade. This only started when the west started pushing.*
>>
>> *There is a LINE we as a people MUST DRAW! Come on guys!*
>>
>> RESPECTFUL of the environment, which is our heritage, and determined to
>> sustain it for the benefit of future generations:
>>
>> COMMITTED to nurturing and protecting the well-being of the individual,
>> the family, communities and the nation:
>>
>> RECOGNISING the aspirations of all Kenyans for a government based on the
>> essential values of human rights, equality, freedom, democracy, social
>> justice and the rule of law:
>>
>> *If we play the HUMAN RIGHT card, then why arrest a consenting adult who
>> chooses to commit suicide? Isn’t it his right to live?*
>>
>> *Freedom comes with responsibility and most of all we OWE it to the
>> generations to come to maintain a MORAL FABRIC that reflects us as a
>> people! LGBT doesn’t stand the test of morality if it goes against the very
>> supreme being that we claim to acknowledge!*
>>
>> EXERCISING our sovereign and inalienable right to determine the form of
>> governance of our country and having participated fully in the making of
>> this Constitution:
>>
>> ADOPT, ENACT and give this Constitution to ourselves and to our future
>> generations.
>>
>> GOD BLESS KENYA
>>
>> *These are my opinions, I don’t mean to disrespect anyone. *
>>
>> *Twahir*
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2018 15:26, “Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet” <
>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> @Alex
>>
>> I am open to any introduction and as I said the issue of morality is
>> subjective and conscience based. You may see gay relationship as okay and
>> right from your perspective. However, to another person, it may be
>> immoral
>> depending on one’s beliefs.
>>
>> The board has also given the reasons behind the ban.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Alex Comninos
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:09 PM
>> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Cc: ldinga@managecom.co.ke
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>>
>> @Lawrence
>>
>> Why is love between two consenting non-abusive people a morality issue?
>>
>> Please explain?
>>
>> There are many issues of morality in relationships, but what does the
>> sexual orientation of the partners have to do with anything?
>>
>> So basically you are saying being gay is immoral, it would be nice if you
>> could back that up without resorting to the first testament.
>>
>> Once again, I am more than willing to introduce you to my LGBT friends and
>> their morality. If you would like to be introduced and learn something,
>> contact me.
>>
>> Kindly,
>> Alex
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 14:05, Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet <
>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> > Religion a side I think this is an issue of morality but I agree,
>> morality can be subjective and depends on one’s conscience.
>>
>> > Regards
>>
>> > From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
>> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:50 PM
>> > To: ldinga@managecom.co.ke
>> > Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>>
>> > KFCB always makes roadside pronouncements that would not pass any legal
>> threshold.
>>
>> > And quoting the Bible here is imposing your religion on others who
>> believe in different deities.
>>
>> > Ebele, No, there is no State religion in Kenya, and our constitution
>> recognises freedom of worship.
>>
>> > Article 32 of Kenyan Constitution:
>>
>> > 32. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, RELIGION, BELIEF AND OPINION
>>
>> > (1) Every person has the right to freedom of conscience, religion,
>> thought, belief and opinion.
>>
>> > (2) Every person has the right, either individually or in community with
>> others, in public or in private, to manifest any religion or belief
>> through
>> worship, practice, teaching or observance, including observance of a day
>> of
>> worship.
>>
>> > (3) A person may not be denied access to any institution, employment or
>> facility, or the enjoyment of any right, because of the person’s belief or
>> religion.
>>
>> > (4) A person shall not be compelled to act, or engage in any act, that
>> is
>> contrary to the person’s belief or religion.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:36 PM Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> >> Does Kenya have a state religion?
>>
>> >> On 4/30/18, 12:33 PM, “kictanet on behalf of Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via
>> kictanet” <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke on
>> behalf of kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> >> Dear Alex,
>>
>> >> I don’t know much about the movie but if it is about lesbianism
>> then
>> it is
>> >> immoral and ungodly.
>> >> God only approves a relation between a man and a woman
>>
>> >> Leviticus 18:22
>> >> You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an
>> abomination.
>>
>> >> Genesis 2:24
>> >> Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold
>> fast
>> to his
>> >> wife, and they shall become one flesh.
>>
>> >> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> >> —–Original Message—–
>> >> From: Alex Comninos via kictanet
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:05 PM
>> >> To: ldinga@managecom.co.ke
>> >> Cc: Alex Comninos ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>>
>> >> I am not sure what the film is about in its entirety, but the main
>> >> storyline is a lesbian romance in Nairobi. It is the first Kenyan
>> film to
>> >> be nominated for the Cannes film festival and will premiere there
>> on
>> the
>> >> 8th of May.
>>
>> >> Here is the trailer for the film
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU
>>
>>
>> >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:57, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> > What is the film about?
>>
>> >> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 1:55 PM Alex Comninos via kictanet <
>> >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Hi
>>
>> >> >> I was shocked to learn that the film classification board has
>> banned an
>> >> >> LGBT film, Rafiki.
>>
>> >> >> Our Film and Publication Board recently attempted this but it
>> was
>> >> reversed
>> >> >> by the courts.
>>
>> >> >> Films are ICTs and we should be discussing this on the list.
>>
>> >> >> I am looking forward to the discussion.
>>
>> >> >> Kind regards,
>> >> >> Alex
>>
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>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people’s times and bandwidth,
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>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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>
> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people’s times and bandwidth,
> share knowledge, don’t flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
>
> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
> online that you follow in real life: respect people’s times and bandwidth,
> share knowledge, don’t flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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