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Facebook “Community Standards£.

Dear Mutemi,

Thank you for flagging the issue. Pease do share the links to the specific pieces of content you would like us to address and we will shed more light on the specific considerations taken to review that content.

Barrack, I am also happy to explore the proposal to revisit an informative session on our Community Standards and or other relevant topics of discussion of interest to this community.

Best Regards,

Mercy Ndegwa
Head of Public Policy, East Africa
Facebook

From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+shikondegwa=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Mutemi wa Kiama via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Monday, May 6, 2019 at 10:18 AM
To: Mercy Ndegwa <shikondegwa@fb.com>
Cc: Mutemi wa Kiama <eddiekiama@gmail.com>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Facebook “Community Standards£.

Hi Barrack,

Much appreciated.
Warm regards,

Edwin Kiama

Thoughts become things… choose the good ones!
——————————————————————————————————-
Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach

#DevolutionIsRevolution Champion

The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.

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“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” ~Margaret Mead

On Mon, 6 May 2019, 10:14 Barrack Otieno, <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Mutemi,

This conversation is educative, i think we should keep it here. Mercy
and George can shed more light on the issues so that we can all learn
as a Community.

Regards

On 5/6/19, Mutemi wa Kiama via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
> Dear Ebele & FB team,
>
> Once again thanks for the prompt response.
>
> Am sure Mercy and team are following the conversation though I got a
> vacation/traveling responder from her email. For the benefit of Listers
> here who could be having similar concerns, could we keep the conversation
> here?
>
> I appreciate your response vis a vis difficulty moderating global cultural
> attitudes towards skin, genitalia and nudity as well as need to protect
> children. However, surely the three images I attach here again for your
> benefit do not fit in that mould?
>
> I would really appreciate your advice on what is considered offensive in
> these three images, especially considering someone in my FB Community could
> have reported them. It will also be useful in guiding my own self
> moderation.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Edwin Kiama
>
> Thoughts become things… choose the good ones!
> ——————————————————————————————————-
> Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
> Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach
>
> #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion
>
> The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
> Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.
>
> Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sautiyawanjiku.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoylGsHBCsprYz0LSbe6sIA&s=2L…>
>
> www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya
>
> https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_WanjikuRevolt&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoylGsHBCsprYz0LSbe6sIA&…>
>
> plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__plus.google.com_u_1_-2BWanjikuMapinduzi_posts&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoyl…>
>
> www.scribd.com/wmkenya<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scribd.com_wmkenya&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoylGsHBCsprYz0LSbe6sIA&s=RH…>
>
>
> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change
> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” ~Margaret Mead
>
> On Mon, 6 May 2019, 08:53 Ebele Okobi, <ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>> wrote:
>
>> Mercy and George are the right contacts, and you can engage directly,
>> w/out posting your account details to KICTAnet. She will need the link to
>> the specific pieces of content you are addressing, as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mercy and Fadzai can explain in more detail, but it is highly unlikely
>> that most of the content you are describing was removed as a result of
>> algorithms. The most likely scenario is that it was reported by a member
>> of
>> your own Facebook community. It was then reviewed by one of our human
>> reviewers, and if the content was fully frontal nudity, was removed as
>> being against policy. We continue to grapple with how to craft and
>> implement global policies that address the most harm while allowing the
>> most speech. As a result of significant risk related to child
>> exploitation
>> content and consent, our rules currently do not allow for images of
>> children’s genitalia. I am a mother, of African children. I recognize
>> that
>> my cute picture of my son in the bath is not child exploitation content,
>> but unfortunately, at scale it is very difficult to apply a rule that
>> recognizes that nuance, and which would leave up my cute naked African
>> child and take down that same cute African child in an account that, for
>> ex, collects images of those cute naked children w/out the consent of
>> their
>> parents and posts them on a page for the review of less benign viewers.
>> Note that this is not actually an “African” problem (many Danish and
>> French
>> and Bangladeshi and Fijian mothers/cultures also want to post pictures of
>> naked children) , and also note the implications of allowing only African
>> children to be depicted nude on our platforms while taking down pictures
>> of
>> European children.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have often hosted “ask me anything” and similar events discussing our
>> content policies. They are useful for helping to give an understanding of
>> the amount of thought that goes into creating and enforcing. It’s
>> impossible for these global rules to be perfect, and feedback is
>> welcomed,
>> but it’s also most useful with an understanding of the context in which
>> they were created. Mercy would be delighted to explore whether another
>> one
>> for this community would be of interest.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the meantime, these articles are illuminating-there might be a
>> paywall-alas, nothing I can do about that.
>>
>> www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/world/facebook-moderators.html<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2018_12_27_world_facebook-2Dmoderators.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlX…>
>>
>>
>> www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-team-at-facebook-that-dealt-with-the-christchurch-shooting<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.newyorker.com_news_news-2Ddesk_inside-2Dthe-2Dteam-2Dat-2Dfacebook-2Dthat-2Ddealt-2Dwith-2Dthe-2Dchristchurch-2Dshooting&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd4…>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best, Ebele
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Mutemi wa Kiama <eddiekiama@gmail.com<mailto:eddiekiama@gmail.com>>
>> *Date: *Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:35 AM
>> *To: *Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>>
>> *Cc: *Mercy Ndegwa <shikondegwa@fb.com<mailto:shikondegwa@fb.com>>, George Owuor <gowuor@fb.com<mailto:gowuor@fb.com>>,
>> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>, Fadzai
>> Madzingira <fmadzingira@fb.com<mailto:fmadzingira@fb.com>>
>> *Subject: *Re: Facebook “Community Standards£.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Ebele for your quick response. Here is a link to the profile:
>> www.facebook.com/MutemiWaKiama
>>
>>
>>
>> Additionally, the FB algorithms also seem no to recognise that some
>> African nudity is not culturally “inappropriate”, eg young boys swimming
>> in
>> a river, or the two children I have attached in the original email.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Edwin Kiama
>>
>> Thoughts become things… choose the good ones!
>>
>> ——————————————————————————————————-
>> Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
>> Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach
>>
>> #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion
>>
>> The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
>> Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.
>>
>> Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sautiyawanjiku.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoylGsHBCsprYz0LSbe6sIA&s=2L…>
>> <urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sautiyawanjiku.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=6R…>
>>
>> www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya
>>
>> https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_WanjikuRevolt&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoylGsHBCsprYz0LSbe6sIA&…>
>> <urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_WanjikuRevolt&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&…>
>>
>> plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__plus.google.com_u_1_-2BWanjikuMapinduzi_posts&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoyl…>
>> <urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__plus.google.com_u_1_-2BWanjikuMapinduzi_posts&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5R…>
>>
>> www.scribd.com/wmkenya<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scribd.com_wmkenya&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoylGsHBCsprYz0LSbe6sIA&s=RH…>
>> <urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scribd.com_wmkenya&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=oL…>
>>
>>
>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can
>> change
>> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” ~Margaret Mead
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 4 May 2019, 21:33 Ebele Okobi, <ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com>> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a question about Facebook, you may always contact us
>> directly.
>> I have cc’ed Mercy Ndegwa (Head of Policy for East Africa) and George
>> Owuor
>> (Policy Manager for East Africa) for follow up.
>>
>> Please send them the link to the account from which content was actionned
>> so that they can escalate. You may need to wait until the work week to
>> hear
>> back, unless this is an emergency involving threat to life or similarly
>> grave circumstances.
>>
>>
>>
>> The relevance of Cambridge Analytica in this context is unclear, but I
>> trust you will discuss in detail with my team.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ebele
>>
>> ebele okobi
>>
>> public policy director | africa, the middle east & turkey
>>
>> facebook inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 4, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Mutemi wa Kiama <eddiekiama@gmail.com<mailto:eddiekiama@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> According to Facebook these posts go against “Community Standards”!
>>
>>
>>
>> Why, because they’re critical of GoK and it’s leadership, advocate for
>> African wokeness, or the kids are in ethnic attire?
>>
>>
>>
>> Whose Community Standards and on what basis? Facebook has taken most of
>> them down today. Could someone please make me understand!
>>
>>
>>
>> Or has Cambridge Analytica taken over Facebook? This is censorship in my
>> book!
>>
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Edwin Kiama
>>
>> Thoughts become things… choose the good ones!
>>
>> ——————————————————————————————————-
>> Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
>> Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach
>>
>> #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion
>>
>> The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
>> Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.
>>
>> Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sautiyawanjiku.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoylGsHBCsprYz0LSbe6sIA&s=2L…>
>> <urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sautiyawanjiku.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&s=od…>
>>
>> www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya
>>
>> https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_WanjikuRevolt&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoylGsHBCsprYz0LSbe6sIA&…>
>> <urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_WanjikuRevolt&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&…>
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>> plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__plus.google.com_u_1_-2BWanjikuMapinduzi_posts&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoyl…>
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>>
>> www.scribd.com/wmkenya<urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scribd.com_wmkenya&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=4jc2RtxQueb5oR1v9Wv1j7DBnwd38crpFAVcpsYYjfo&m=R9vpXVgzlXsp38jl_U0idoylGsHBCsprYz0LSbe6sIA&s=RH…>
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>> change
>> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” ~Margaret Mead
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